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Poster: Plan 9 Date: Oct 29, 2008 5:10pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Deep Red PD?

Registration Number / Date: PA0000708592 / 1994-05-18
Title: Deep red.
Description: 2 videoreels ; 1 in.
Copyright Claimant: MTE, Inc.
Date of Creation: 1994
Date of Publication: 1994-02-15
Authorship on Application: entire work: DBA Entertainment, Inc., employer for hire.

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Nov 3, 2008 2:19pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red PD?

These two sites are selling it as p.d.:

http://www.desertislandfilms.com/titles.html

http://filmchest.com/catalog_20081008.php?sort=TITLE&;txtsearchfor=Horror&selin=GENRE&up=true

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Poster: k-otic Date: Nov 4, 2008 12:49am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red PD?

I was talking to an lawyer about this topic and she said (she`s not an copyright lawyer) that it might be that the companys (mainly Italian/French) who made the copyright registration made a mistake by registering the work under it`s international title not under its original name therefore the registration might not be valid (in the USA)
But she also said that "this is extremly thin ice" since the USA also accepts the international copyright law

So it might be save to sell those titles in the USA, as long as you stay in the USA, but as soon as you leave the country you might end up in jail :)

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Poster: k-otic Date: Nov 2, 2008 12:28pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red PD?

If the original version is under copyright how can it be that the cut version isn´t ... don´t make sense to me

"A copyright is valid for the original work and all derivations of that work"

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Poster: couchpotato Date: Nov 2, 2008 12:58pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red PD?

Perhaps the AI should err on the side of caution and remove it. Better safe than sorry. Sorry for all of the cliche's.

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Poster: k-otic Date: Oct 30, 2008 3:57am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red PD?

Ahh Plan 9 is back again!
(i hope you arn`t mad at me anymore)

About the movie "Deep Red"
you have to look for the original name of the work "Profondo Rosso" aswell as for all of its variant names
Deep Red (International: English title)
Dripping Deep Red (USA) (pre-release title)
The Deep Red Hatchet Murders (USA) (DVD box title)
The Hatchet Murders (USA) (censored version)
Tigre dai denti a sciabola, La (Italy) (working title)

The "Date of Creation" is also an very important point to determine whether it is the same movie

Your search result are made in 1994 "Profondo Rosso" was released in 1975 (11 June 1976 in the USA) so it can`t be the same movie

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Poster: Plan 9 Date: Nov 1, 2008 4:24am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red IS NOT PD! IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED!

"Works registered prior to 1978 may be found only in the Copyright Public Records Reading Room."

That's a disingenious argument which the owners of IA cannot afford. Profondo Rosso and Deep Red are OBVIOUSLY the same film! There is no difference between the two except or the fact that the 1994 release is restored and uncut. Do you really think that the Argento family has allowed the 1975 version's copyright to lapse?

Argento is known as the Italian Hitchcock. Do you really think that if 20 extra minutes of Psycho were added and then
re-released in France as Psychose that the original would then be up for grabs?

And speaking of which, have you checked the Italian copyright database for Profondo Rosso 1975?
I'm not fluent enough in Italian to do that. How about you?

And now Lucio Fulci's 1981 House By the Cemetery has been uploaded.

I was loath to post here because I was afraid that what I had to say would be ignored, but it's irresponsible to allow giallos by directors as eminent as Argento and Fulci to be uploaded here willy-nilly.

If this trend continues, IA will begin to be viewed, not as a valuable resource of films which might otherwise be lost, but as The Other Pirate Bay.

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Poster: Diana Hamilton Date: Nov 1, 2008 1:04pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red IS NOT PD! IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED!

If this trend continues, IA will begin to be viewed, not as a valuable resource of films which might otherwise be lost, but as The Other Pirate Bay

Ouch! Well, in the big picture of overall video uploads by random people, it's actually trending better than worse lately. This spate of feature film wildness looks to be pretty focused and narrow, like from a person or site who could be contacted and perhaps educated.

Meanwhile, the porn, anime, Bollywood and hidden warez that were flooding in at this time last year have gone to almost nothing. Other stuff like recent US or Egyptian TV and movies is currently coming into Open Source Movies, but at a much lower baseline than a year ago.

(One other interesting thing about movie flow here: Seems like the incoming jihadi stuff is lower in amount lately too. I wonder if it's related to the September cyberattacks on the big jihad sites that I read about in the news?)

This post was modified by Diana Hamilton on 2008-11-01 20:04:19

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Poster: Plan 9 Date: Nov 1, 2008 2:52pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red IS NOT PD! IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED!

Thank you for responding, Diana! :)

My apologies if my remark was in any way offensive.
I was overtired when I posted and meant qualify that statement to make it a bit less hyperbolic. It should have read:

"If this trend continues, IA will begin to be viewed by its European visitors, not as a valuable resource of films which might otherwise be lost, but as The Other Pirate Bay."

It's good to be made aware of the big picture, especially one so optimistic! :)



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Poster: Detective John Carter of Mars Date: Nov 1, 2008 7:10am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red IS NOT PD! IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED!

@as The Other Pirate Bay.

Or The Other cinemashock.net?

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Poster: k-otic Date: Nov 1, 2008 7:38am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red IS NOT PD! IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED!

looks like all those uploads are from Galacticat Studios to feed their site

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Poster: Plan 9 Date: Nov 1, 2008 5:16am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red IS NOT PD! IT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0073582/companycredits


http://www.inbaseline.com/company.aspx?view=FilmCredits&;company_id=2097621

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Poster: k-otic Date: Nov 1, 2008 5:30am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red PD?

Ooops ... you seem to be still angry ..

I wasn`t saying that "Deep Red" is PD!
I was just saying that your find dosn`t seem to fit with the movie "Profondo Rosso"

"If this trend continues, IA will begin to be viewed, not as a valuable resource of films which might otherwise be lost, but as The Other Pirate Bay."

I agree with you ... it´s starting to shift... more and more each day
i was trying to contact twainbough and was asking him why he`s moving those titles that are highly quetionable instead of deleting them .. till now no reaction :(

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Poster: Plan 9 Date: Nov 1, 2008 10:20am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red PD?

"Ooops ... you seem to be still angry .."

It's not that I don't like you or recognise all the fine contributions you make to IA; quite the reverse.
I only become annoyed with you when you post the same bits of information to me over and over, as if I were too stupid to comprehend them the first time, and then post to me that I'm on my own; to just do my best, as though you've shared all your sources of information.
That's frustrating, especially when I see posts by you making fun of others who have done just that, and made mistakes.

"I wasn`t saying that "Deep Red" is PD!
I was just saying that your find dosn`t seem to fit with the movie "Profondo Rosso""

I'm sorry! I misunderstood.
I've seen the English subtitled version of Profondo Rosso and it's identical to Deep Red, except that Deep Red is a mixture of dubbed English and Italian.
um, profondo means deep and rosso means red in English. You see?

"If this trend continues, IA will begin to be viewed, not as a valuable resource of films which might otherwise be lost, but as The Other Pirate Bay."

"I agree with you ... it´s starting to shift... more and more each day

i was trying to contact twainbough and was asking him why he`s moving those titles that are highly quetionable instead of deleting them .. till now no reaction :( "

That's good news that you've noticed, too, and have already been trying to contact him! :)

You're way ahead of me, then. I only became alarmed when I saw Deep Red had been uploaded, and only because I happen to be an Italian horror film buff.
...and, perhaps, because I'm in my fifties? I saw all David Hemming's films when I was younger, including the Italian ones like Blow-Up and Deep Red, both of which garnered lots of attention then and are considered classics now.

"looks like all those uploads are from Galacticat Studios to feed their site"

I just checked out cinemashock.net and I see John Carter is right. *sighs*
You think they're using IA to "feed their site"? How does that work?

This post was modified by Plan 9 on 2008-11-01 17:06:49

This post was modified by Plan 9 on 2008-11-01 17:20:39

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Poster: k-otic Date: Nov 1, 2008 10:56am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red PD?

i`m always happy to help to find out about the copyright status of a movie ... but the decision whether or not to upload it is yours

ooh, sorry i repeat myself ..
i repeat myself
repeat myself
myself.............
you see it`s not you who´s stupid ... it´s me

the problem here is that it is harder to get a movie removed than to upload it
i don´t know how many get deleted in the open source section but once they´r in the feature film section it is very hard to get them removed
Like for example:
The Circus
The Dictator
Gold Rush
Freaks
Conquest
and so on and so on

it looks like no one really cares

About cinemashock.net
I have to confess that i´m watching Galacticat Studios for quite a while now .. just to see what kind of buisness model they come up with
the problem with streaming content are the traffic costs Thats why most of the other small video sites get closed like bmovies.com or flickbyflick.com) if you have an free service provider like IA you can make quite some money out of such a site with very low or no cost at all
but if cinemashock.net continue to upload copyrighted material for their site .. they are faster gone than flickbyflick.com

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Poster: k-otic Date: Nov 1, 2008 12:08pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red PD?

That's frustrating, especially when I see posts by you making fun of others who have done just that, and made mistakes.

you`r refering to the upload of the 1931 movie Dracula?
i don`t think that the person who did upload the movie did any research at all
making fun of others
i can´t help it .. i´m a funny guy... it´s the reflexes of my funny bone... sorry

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Poster: Plan 9 Date: Nov 1, 2008 3:12pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red PD?

"i`m always happy to help to find out about the copyright status of a movie ... but the decision whether or not to upload it is yours"

Then you badly misunderstood me, because I never asked you to make a decision for me; only for your advice.
I suspect (to misquote Cool Hand Luke) that what we had here was a failure to communicate.

No matter now; I remain firm in my decision to refrain from uploading any further films to IA.


"the problem here is that it is harder to get a movie removed than to upload it
i don´t know how many get deleted in the open source section but once they´r in the feature film section it is very hard to get them removed...

...it looks like no one really cares"


I think that the IA staff cares very much, but that there aren't enough of them.


"About cinemashock.net...
...the problem with streaming content are the traffic costs Thats why most of the other small video sites get closed like bmovies.com or flickbyflick.com) if you have an free service provider like IA you can make quite some money out of such a site with very low or no cost at all..."


Yes, I understand about the high costs of streaming ones own content. What I was wondering is how they manage to divert that stream, so to speak, to their site's players.
However, you needn't take the time to explain; I'm just curious.


"but if cinemashock.net continue to upload copyrighted material for their site .. they are faster gone than flickbyflick.com"


Offering two copyrighted films by such prominent directors in a single month is not auspicious for them, I agree.


"you`r refering to the upload of the 1931 movie Dracula?
i don`t think that the person who did upload the movie did any research at all"



I don't find that surprising. Since I have not a clue how to research films from the thirties, I wouldn't be able to do any myself.
As long as you neglect to share your research methods, I fail to see how anyone can learn them.



"making fun of others
i can´t help it .. i´m a funny guy... it´s the reflexes of my funny bone... sorry"


How odd. I like to think of myself as a funny gal, yet I didn't find your remarks at all amusing.
I'm grateful for your timing, though: you had your fun just before I uploaded several more films, thereby potentially making myself the butt of your funny bone.

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Poster: k-otic Date: Nov 2, 2008 2:42am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red PD?

Yes, I understand about the high costs of streaming ones own content. What I was wondering is how they manage to divert that stream, so to speak, to their site's players.
However, you needn't take the time to explain; I'm just curious.


Just by using the epend code provided by IA or by using their own player
like for example
http://freenet-homepage.de/onlive/egg.swf
you can stream from every site that provide streaming content even from a prodectet one (mms, rtsp, rtsps)
I think that 80% of all traffic from IA are generatet from other sites
I have nothing against that
it`s a good idea to build your own Online-Community around such streaming content as long as you have the rights on the content or the content is PD

I don't find that surprising. Since I have not a clue how to research films from the thirties, I wouldn't be able to do any myself.
As long as you neglect to share your research methods, I fail to see how anyone can learn them.


I´m sorry i didn´t know that it was you who made that upload

Anyways there is no secret behind my research methods
A movie about Dracula or Freaks for example are always an top seller because most people do like the story/topic
So if i can`t find those titles listed in an online catalog of an major PD Distributor it is most likely that those titles are not in the public domain .. it is that easy


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Poster: bunnyman Date: Nov 2, 2008 6:10am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red PD?

This is totally "unscientific", I guess, but I'd ASSUME Deep Red (the cut version at least) may have lapsed into PD, as it's included on one of my "50 movies for $25" sets from best buy...

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Poster: prosfilaes Date: Nov 9, 2008 1:31pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Deep Red PD?

Any registration in 1994 is completely irrelevant one way or the other for a movie released in 1978.